Replacing Floor Pans and Rocker Panels with originals.

Hi Doug,
 
I'm restoring a 61 Cadillac convertible. Floor pan.  Bracing and rockers are rotted out so I have a 62 Cadillac 2 door with a good floor etc., that I'm intending to cut out in one piece to replace the convertible floor pan etc. Assuming the floors are identical which I believe they are.
I was a body and fender man 40 years ago, so I hope I haven't forgotten too much. Of course dimensions and alignment are critical. Any advice would be very much appreciated.

My other hobby projects are a 74 Corvette, 68 Plymouth, 55 Imperial, 59 Imperial and another 62 Cadillac. All 2 doors.

Thanks very much.
Best Regards,
Gary

Kingston, WA

Hi Gary,

Taking it apart at the original factory seams is the way to go. They make some real good spot weld cutters/drills now, that we just didn't have 40 years ago. Also, we are using die grinders with cut off wheels, to cut welds. It used to be that we took everything apart with an air chisel, back in the late 60s and 70s. Those are used much less now as it was so easy to damage your project with the chisel. We also have a weld through primer now for the seams that consists of a high zinc content. This primer does a fantastic job of holding down the corrosion in your welded seams. It does make plug welding more difficult, but the benefit outweighs the negative.

Once you get your floor pan and rocker assemblies removed at the proper seams, clean them thoroughly and punch holes for your spot/plug welds, keeping in mind the easiest side to dress your welds when finished,  assuming that you will be using a mig welder to reassemble your car.

Prime up your seams and fit the panels in place. Make sure your car is sitting perfectly flat and that all your door openings are fitting perfectly and that your convertible top is fitting good, and your window seals are lining up as you go through the process of reassembly. Check your fits frequently, as you do the reassembly. Your starting points for fit is always your fixed body points. The easiest way to maintain that is by making sure your doors are fit to your rockers and "A" pillars before you take things apart. Even gaps at the bottoms of your doors to the original rockers usually gives a good starting point. Keep the doors attached if possible as this with give you the correct position to place your new rockers.

It is extremely difficult to correct problems with fit after a major reconstruction project that you are planning to do, is done improperly.

I have taken on projects like what I just mentioned and did what I could to correct those mistakes that someone else made. It is nearly impossible to end up with a real good finished product after such a thing has taken place though.

Finally, when it is all in place and cleaned real well, seal all the necessary seams with a good urethane seam sealer. That is another thing that we didn't have 40 years ago. Good seam sealer!

Going back to the beginning... If you take your project over to Scott at Benchmark Automotive, located in the business park by Albertsons. You can probably get things cleaned up with his new, wet glass blasting system, especially in the areas that you will be working. You should at least give him a call to discuss the possibilities. Clean metal is far better to work with when doing such a project.




Good luck with your project and don't hesitate to give me a call if you need. I'm over in Sequim now.

Doug

1936 Ford Custom Coach Towncar Sedan Delivery

This 1936 Ford Towncar Delivery has been created from parts that have been collected over the last 40 years. You will hopefully have the opportunity to view it in it's first mock up stage, as pictured here, at the Early Ford V8 meet in Lake Tahoe, the middle of June.

We still have much to do to refine it to the stage of completion, but I have all the confidence that those of you who are experienced in the field of restoration, or design of fine automobiles will be pleased with what you see.

The 36 is being built as it could have been, back in the era that the 1936 Ford was originally conceived.


To go back and see where this project started, click here 1936 Ford Towncar Delivery


Early Ford V8 Meet Lake Tahoe 2013 preview 1936 Ford Towncar Delivery

Lake Tahoe will be the location of the 50th anniversary Early Ford V8 meet in June 2013. Larry Hove and I plan to display his 1936 Ford Custom Coachwork Towncar Delivery that we have been building for six years or so.

I have been very privileged to have had the opportunity to work with Larry who has a degree in art and a natural talent and passion for automobile design.
I guess his experience in wood working in the home remodel business has proved to be very valuable in the design and execution of the rear (cargo area) of this fabulous Custom Coach.

This project started out, as I mentioned, about six years ago or so with Larry's vision of using the convertible parts from one of his convertible sedans, and the remains of the Seibert Custom Coach that he had acquired years earlier, to create this 1936 Ford Towncar Delivery.

Larry and I have done some other things together over the years as well. Larry had design input on the 1958 style hot rod 1936 Ford Cabriolet that I built for Phil Blodgett. We also built a custom bodied 34-35-36 Convertible Sedan.

Larry also has a Mullens trailer that we have done a lot of restoration work on. He plans to equip it with some eleven spoke Clev-Weld wheels to match the wheels that will be fit to this car eventually.

Here are a few preview images of the 1936 Ford Towncar Delivery.







1936 Packard Hooper Bodied Limousine Coach

Doug,

We, Don & Judy, bought a 1936 Packard that had a custom Hooper Coach Builders Ltd. aluminum body, that had a body made in England.  The steering wheel was on the right side. We sold it to a man on Mercer Island who owned a travel agency business in 1968 because we were moving to Arizona and couldn't keep it.

Have you ever seen it?

We bought it for $1,500 in 1964 and sold it for $1,475 in 1968.

A WWII American Army vet in Bothell, WA was friends with a WWII English Army vet.  There was a large estate sale in England in 1963 with five classic cars, which included the 1936 Packard, one or two old Bentleys, and old Jaguar and the fifth old classic car that I can't remember the type.  They shipped all five classic cars over on a ship and sold them from the front lawn of the man who lived in Bothell, WA.

From the wind shield forward it was Packard, with a Packard engine and running gear, but from the wind shield back it was a custom Hooper Coach Builders Ltd aluminum body.  When you opened the back doors, there were brass plates above the running boards that said "Hooper Coach Builders Ltd, Coach Builders to her Majesty the Queen"  A wealthy Englishman had two made and, reportedly, one was destroyed during the bombings of WW II in London.

The turn signals were lite arms that popped up between the front and back doors.  It had a "Jack-all" system, with built-in jacks behind each wheel and you could dial "front-back- or all" from the engine area and it would jack up each area.

Don & Judy
Don & Judy,

Thank you for visiting my site RestoRodsToGo and submitting your "Ask Doug" inquiry. With the help of a friend and former chair person for the Pebble Beach Concours d' Elegance Glenn Mounger, we located an ad for the car you are inquiring about. There wasn't a specific link for the ad itself on the Packard Club site, so I placed a copy of the ad with a link below, to the Packard Club advertisement for the 1936 Packard!

Doug





Car Show at the Sequim Balloon Festival

The car show featured a mix of restored classic cars, street rods, vintage cars and resto rods. The majority of them were street rods from the 1930s to the 1960s.

There was a pretty good turnout on Saturday. I'm guessing that there were about 200 cars.

Awards are supposed to be a $500 photo shoot for best in each class for each of the days, Saturday and Sunday as I understand it. Also included in the awards, was participation in the reflections ceremony after dark when the winning cars of the car show lined up along the pond amongst the hot air balloons.

It was the first Sequim WA balloon festival/ hot gas and gears show.  The live music was great as was the weather on Sunday evening. Unlike the evening before, the wind was calm enough Sunday evening to allow the balloons to inflate.


1941 Cadillac Convertible rust repair sheet metal reconstruction

1941 Cadillac Convertible rust repair sheet metal reconstruction

Rust repair using sheet metal, formed, and welded, to duplicate the original construction of your classic car, hot rod, or muscle car, is one of the most important aspects of restoration. It is like the foundation of the automobile. Care must be taken, all the way through the process to insure that the desired results of fit and long lasting protection against re-occurrence  are achieved. Sheet metal rust repair is sometimes very involving in a high end restoration project.












1936 Chevrolet Manufacturing Assembly

1936 Chevrolet Assembly Line
This is fascinating to watch these guys work around these massive pieces of manufacturing equipment without any modern safety measures, only common sense. Everyone is aware of what is going on around them and maintains their own margin of safety.